Big Day Soon….

Well two more days and the new horse comes home!!! yay!!! Will be a big relief to see….

Been a shocker of a week. Lost two people I know, put my shepherd down due to issues and my son lost his little budgie he was hand rearing…..

Big weekend tho, cooking and horses tomorrow (sat) then barbeque sat night, then horses on sun and visit a friends on the public holiday on monday yay… might have to take some picks then as well as they are lovely jumpers….

Happy Journey…

Still waiting for the round yard to have the tree stump taken out. Sigh, what a pain, could have done 5 weeks work with her by now and soon it will be raining and cold, so wont be able to work her then, too slippery.

Got a new one coming home, she is an older mare, but will have a forever home with me thanks to my mate, Dianna. Between us she will be fine to see her days out. This mare has a very special place in my heart.

Si’Ann is a pleasure, while I am not getting complacent she is now fully trusting of me. I am so looking forward to starting to extend her mind and body.
I have had discussions with a young friend of mine, who I call my little sis. She has a half sister (paternal) to Si’ann. She has a couple of little problems and its getting trying for my friend, so Im looking for a larger paddock where I can shove the broodies and gelding out in and play with the three youngsters…seems like I have been saying this for ever…. Im so close to actually doing it grrrr come on de stumping man!!!!

k vent over lol

Thoughts…..

Have I made a rod for her back.

I dont intend on her ever leaving me, but have I created a creature that is just to sensitive for the layman to understand.

Will I be able to trust her with someone who dosent speak horse.

She is so tuned into my cues and with just a twitch will stay out of my space, without any questions.

hmmm lots to think about….

Setback….

Well we have a very very large setback….

I have a new friend and while she has a fair amount of horse experience, she is not aware and does not understand horse…

Si’Ann gave her not one but three warnings…

  1. ears back
  2. ears back
  3. ears back – attack

I was present thank goodness. I wasnt far away only a metre from the pair of them, she was busy talking to her dad, I said watch yourself (1st), watch out for Si’Ann(2nd), to late (3rd) I went after the mare as she went for the kill, she saw me before she made any contact with the person and lit off across the paddock with me after her.

I have discussed this with a few trainers and also had an extremely compitent friend come out to assess her and I have run my thoughts about what the next step in the journey is.

Those I have discussed this problem with are

Diana Western – Hassanemisis Arabians (my friend)

Erwin Van Vliet – Tales of the Western Ranch

John Oleary – Mr Horseproblems

the letter to John Oleary and his answer

Hi John,

Have been reading your site for quite a while. I agree re the catalyst episode, absolute crap article.

Gona be a long one lol

I took the time to finally watch your tap videos on youtube. I have been watching endos for quite a while. But never
Thought I would even be thinking or needing to implement them.

Being an experienced horse person with timing and feel, I can sort 98% of things out. I am a thinker before I make
My next move and will sit back and take the time to work out what might work and what wont.

After seeing your first ‘The Tap’ video, I’m fairly sure I will have to go there and implement it… I have layed a horse down before
But it was more a case of teaching my horse to play dead so it was an extensive process for him. My girl is going to be different.

To the girl, I know her full history, till the age of 9 months she was in a safe and reasonable horse home. At 9 months of age she was sent to a new home. Here at this home she learnt to not only defend herself, but make a preemptive strike against any human without horsemanship knowledge. She would strike, lunge at you with mouth wide open in full attack, gallop past and rip the lead out of your hand then kick on the way past and crack the air with her feet if you tried to brush past the girth. I have fixed all of these ‘WITH ME’ after rescuing her back at 20 months of age, with a vet visit within 3 hrs of her coming home and given a 50/50 chance of survival…

Well she is still here 2 years later to tell the tale, but here lies my problem.

This mare is now fine with me, she is fine with any horse person who is a horseman and pays attention to her body language.

But we had an incident, where I had a horse person around who had no idea about horse body language, she missed the ears back the first time (should have sent the mare packing out of the herd) missed them a second time and on the third time, the horse went in for the attack, ears back teeth bared and out for the chew, being alert myself, by the time the mare pinned her ears the third time I was after her, and sent her off from the herd (the human being is fine and well, just got a fright), problem was she still pegs this person as a twit in her eyes, and I fear that anyone in her personal space that is the same might be in danger.

My thoughts on my situation are that I might still have to resort to the tap eventually, I’ve still got a thing or two up my sleeve to try first.

So to the crux of my thoughts and a question for you. If I do end up tapping her, will I need to have maybe the horse person she tried to get over and get her to take part in the handling of the mare while down? Do you think this might be a crucial part of the process or just use anyone so that she realises its not just me to be alert and respectful of?

Thanks in advance
Liesl


Johns answer – Could it be that this person has to be always around? If so, yes, have them present but if they don’t need to be involved with the Horse, keep then right away from her.  Just having the person standing by would be enough. Keep us informed.

My plan of action for the mare, is to get her started under saddle, get some leg work under her, then with the help of the 2 experienced people above, will expose her to a couple of situations to see how she handles it.

If there is any sort of violent reaction, I will then take the next and last step of Dropping her using the Endorphin Tap, developed by Paul “Endo” Williamson aka Endospink

We have EARS…

Finally, she is looking for human attention and ears are forward, this seems to so far be predominately to do with me. Anyone else she will ears back and get cranky.

From this

From this

From this

to this

To this!!!

To this!!!

Finally she is seeking human companionship, the change of paddock helped, she had to rely on me more than the older two horses usually housed with her. Reliance and change sometimes help a great deal.

If looks could kill…

If looks could kill, then my son and I and any other human that has been near her would have been dead along time ago.

While I have managed to curb the dangerous behavior, its simmering underneath waiting to come out at any opportunity.

I DONT GIVE HER ANY OPPORTUNITY…

Death Stare, at my son

Death Stare, at my son

This look is commonplace for her at any stage. I dont let her win with even a look tho. Part of being able to be the one of the herd that is above her, means that I have to keep that established even if all it is, is a look. What I have to do when the look happens is move her on or out until I get a soft face. Once I get a soft face I will praise and walk away instantly. Its the greatest reward I can give her.

2nd July 2008

Just before moving back to other paddock

Just before moving back to other paddock

Moving back to other paddock near the old horses again. Looks ok but not brilliant, but again growing. Winter just starting as well.

Got colic not long after this picture, gas colic, pigged out on the green stuff to much and I didnt have enough hay in front of her sigh… she is fine now

Progress..

Progress is slow..

I am giving her every possible chance to heal and be well in mind as well as body.

She has still done it hard with me in the sense that I have had to keep it simple for her, gut and mind.

Basic diet, Hay and basic small grain meal once a day with minerals.

First year after the move to Manjimup Western Australia, she got quite thin for a long time, I was very aware of not topping her up, as she was on enough feed. It was very easy to see that it was all bone growth. She grew a hand in one year.

8th June 2008

Grey is 14.3hh, Siann was the same height 12 months before

Grey is 14.3hh, Si'ann was the same height 12 months before

These pictures are in the new paddock they were there for approx a year. Both did very well and grew quite good. She learnt here how to drink Dam water lol. It was a process of me initially carting water to a tub by hand then, introducing them to the dam and water. Once there was feet marks in the clay, I left them to it.

First Blog….

I have started this blog, with the view of sharing mostly about my mare Stockyard’s Si’Ann.

A bit of background on her. I bred her out of a thoroughbred mare I had. Foal (Si’Ann) was sold in utero, the people who had Si’Ann, let her leave at 3 months of age. She was with those owners from 3 months to 9 months. At 9 months she was given to their daughter as a wedding present.

Fast forward to 21 months of age. I heard that she was looking for a new home and not in the best of condition. She was a bit rough but not physically poor. But had a gut full of sand.

When I arrived the filly was still rugged and laying down, only feed visible on the property was one sheet of hay in the carport. Not a good sign when there is a young filly, and a 3 yr old gelding to feed and both are living in a sand paddock.

Owners arrived home, got chatting, went to load filly onto the float and the hubby sticks a can of bundy under fillies nose, telling her ‘she would walk on for a can of bundy’. Set my teeth together, paperwork not signed yet…..

Got filly loaded QUIETLY… took her home, it was a Sunday, 3pm arrived home, put her in the round yard, with fresh water and hay. Watched her for a long while just sat there outside the yard, if looks could kill I would be dead… sigh

(was housed in round pen for a while before putting in yard for meal) thanks A for pointing out my mistake in not explaining it better.. she was not worked just housed in there for a few hours. then put in walk in walk out stall, where she was when she went down, during and after vet treatment she was housed in a small grassy pasture

Feed up time, took all the time I needed wasnt going to fuss around her as everything was new and there were behavior problems to fix, boy I didnt know the half of it by that time.

7pm had to call the vet out, sigh, out of hrs call oh yay, shes only been home 4 hrs and he has left after giving her strongest pain killer he could with a comment of 50/50 survival percentage….had to do obs and wait to see if she crashed again at about 11pm that night, once the pain relief wore off.

All good so far, pain relief is fine, didnt need a top up, obs all night every half hr and half a sheet of hay each time I went out, making sure she drinks plenty of fluids, again if looks could kill I would be one dead woman….she must be feeling better as she went for me teeth and feet…. OMG WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS FILLIES BRAIN….

Over the next 3 weeks I found a progression of behavior problems.

  1. *Full attack teeth and feet
  2. *Could not brush half way past her belly without her back feet cracking the air
  3. *Would drop back on the lead and charge forward at full gallop and rip lead out of hands, then boot out with back legs
  4. *Barged you over with desperation for any meal

And its no wonder the previous owners told me that the filly had hospitalized the husband with broken ribs just 6 weeks before I picked her up…

20th August 2006

First hr home

First hr home

28th August 2006

End of week one

End of week one

15th October 2006

3 month mark

3 month mark